Debate Replay: Devin Rose vs. John Martignoni on the Bible

I debated John Martignoni on whether the Catholic or Protestant Bible is the true one?

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What Was the Debate About Exactly?

Catholics have 73 books in their Bible.
Protestants have 66 books.

The difference underscores the fundamental question of who, if anyone, has authority and divine guidance in discerning which books the Holy Spirit inspired.

Devin Rose vs. John Martignoni
John Martignoni

That’s what our debate centered on.

I put on my former Protestant hat for the debate and argued, as did John Calvin, that the books of the Bible are self-authenticating.

That means that, because God inspired them, they have a quality that no other books have, and since the Holy Spirit dwells within each Christian, the Spirit testifies in our hearts to which books He inspired.

John argued the Catholic position, that Protestants stole from Catholic Tradition (which they ostensibly reject as false) in order to even come up with the 66 books they do accept, but this is arbitrary since they think the early Christians went off the rails on numerous doctrines (the Eucharist, infant baptism, the Mass, sacraments, and so on).

Why Is the Canon of Scripture Important?

This came out in the debate. Since Protestants believe in sola Scriptura, that the Bible alone is the sole infallible rule of faith, they absolutely must know which books belong in the Bible.

And to know which books belong in the Bible, they must be able to offer a principled reason for why they accept the books they do and how they came up with the criteria for them.

As John demonstrated in the debate, in fact all Protestants have is their opinion on what they think the Holy Spirit is telling them. That way leads to chaos and cannot be the way God designed things. Further, it is not how the early Church operated.

I tried to argue that God wanted us to have something written down because traditions could be corrupted, but John countered that God can preserve both written and oral works from error.

It was a lively debate! You can watch it for free anytime by registering below:

Finally, at the end of the debate I offer anyone who watches it a discount on my Proven Catholic video course and ebook. You can get that deal here.

Why We’re Catholic: the Why Behind the Faith

It’s good to know the truth

We ask questions all the time.

We pose them to our friends, family, acquaintances, coworkers, you name it.

In any extended conversation, questions will abound on a wide variety of topics. Sometimes those questions are about religion and we have all experienced being asked about that topic.

Why We're Catholic BookAs Catholics, it behooves us to be able to answer the many questions the world is sure to throw at us. It’s in keeping with Scripture that we be always prepared “to make a defense to any one who calls you to account for the hope that is in you, yet do it with gentleness and reverence; and keep your conscience clear” (1 Peter 3:15-16).

The truth of God’s revelation sets man free and we stand in a position of being able to share it with anyone we may encounter.

Trent Horn can give you a hand

Trent Horn, staff apologist with Catholic Answers, recently released his fourth book titled “Why We’re Catholic: Our Reasons For Faith, Hope And Love“.

As the title suggests, Trent sets out to provide well-grounded and charitable answers to the many questions Catholics are faced with on a daily basis. Everything from the existence of God to the problem of evil, from the resurrection of Jesus to the hope of eternal life in heaven, in 25 brief yet substantial chapters, Trent has gifted us with a magnificent bird’s eye-view of some of the most common aspects of the Catholic faith that get questioned on a daily basis.

One particular chapter that deserves special mention is number 16 titled “Why we believe in spite of scandal”.

Trent Horn author of Why We're CatholicI was pleasantly surprised to see this topic included in the book since I believe it doesn’t get enough treatment in the field of Catholic apologetics.

Armed with statistical data that I had never heard of before and a candid yet balanced tone, Trent manages to make, to my mind, a very compelling case for the fact that despite the heinous sins of some of its members, the identity of the Catholic Church as the spotless Bride of Christ remains the same. This quote captures the essence of that chapter:

The issue is not whether the patients are sinners, or even if the staff are sinners. The issue is whether the hospital (or the Church) has the cure for sin that has infected everyone.

How Can You Believe This Stuff?

Trent wanted to answer a question he (and most devout Catholics) get often: How can you believe all this stuff?

He answers:

This is the number-one question Catholics get asked—and, sometimes, we ask ourselves.

Why do we believe that God exists, that he became a man and came to save us, that what looks like a wafer of bread is actually his body?

Why do we believe that he inspired a holy book and founded an infallible Church to teach us the one true way to live?

Be Not Afraid

It can be daunting to face a situation where our faith is questioned or even challenged. A lot of us wish we had all the answers at our fingertips or at the very least something to give to those inquiring of us that’s both accurate and accessible.

Trent’s book is more than capable of making all this possible, especially for most average people who, in Trent’s own words from another memorable quote, “aren’t in a rush to read a book that is so thick it can double as a step stool“.

This book is 1) accessible to any reader, 2) enjoyable to read, and 3) equips you with excellent answers to the questions you are asked about Catholicism.

It is my hope and prayer that this book will strengthen your resolve and prepare you to witness to our Lord Jesus Christ in a way that brings glory and honor to His name.